More of Jezebel

stock-photo-11007067-random-alphabet-with-the-word-chaosThanks to everyone who so graciously affirmed me in writing these posts. It is a journey that I have been on for some time now. I have not spoken much about it simply because in the midst of these attacks by control and manipulating people over the years, I was also dealing with rejection, misunderstanding and persecution at the same time coming at me from leaders who did not understand, believed the lies, or presumed to know me when they really did not know me at all. Isn’t that how it usually is for many of you too? Being a strong woman in the Body of Christ comes with its share of labels, Jezebel being one of them.

When control and manipulation manifest through individuals in a Jezebel type way, these individuals can have many different accompanying characteristics to get their way. You will see excess flattery coming forth from them, continual self-focus on their ministry or their giftings, and even sickness to draw attention to themselves.  The sad thing is that I have seen this over and over in many different ways and in different places and for the most part, I have also seen that leaders do nothing about it at all. In fact, it is as if they don’t know what to do many times or don’t see it. When you address it as a woman of God, it usually backfires on you. It then becomes you who are critical, judgmental or angry. Has anyone ever experienced that?

Let’s talk about another woman. I will call her Marie. When she was ministering alongside us in a particular situation, it was constant interference, intense pride along with lots of fleshly manifestations to appear hyper-spiritual. She came on the scene and we were never told that she would also minister during this time that we were there. See how they work their way into situations unseen and do damage? If we had known, we would never have gone into this situation but suddenly, there she was and intense drama began for the whole week.

Here are some sound bytes. She feigned an illness around people but when I tried to pray for her one day, she pushed me out and did not want to be alone with me. Why? Because I had her figured out and she could not pull the wool over my eyes. She paraded past me and went into the room where everyone was sitting and began to exaggerate her symptoms by sitting down, pretending she was so weak, etc. She continued this charade for the whole week and loved the attention.

She was given instructions for ministry but usually did what she wanted every time. We were told to follow her, giving us more time and that meant picking up the mess she left behind in the anointing by taking people’s focus off the simplicity of Christ Jesus. Here’s something else that I had to learn. This spirit has no originality so be prepared for them to mimic and copy to gain attention. If we were led to prophetically sing, she got up and asked if she could sing a song. Don’t laugh, it’s true.  If we said something revelatory during the prayer meetings, she would tack it on to her message.

img_3783-croppedIt seems that in cases like these, you are darned if you do, and darned if you don’t. If you confront, you generally get backlash. If you don’t confront, you can sense how much it grieves the Spirit of God. The main thing is the lack of authority in many of the leaders we saw who refused to confront this in any way due to a fear of man.

The showdown came at some of the last meetings. When you are a visiting minister, you are submitted to the leader in charge. If they refuse to do anything, chaos results. That is what finally happened the last few days. She disregarded all instruction and God just let her go, to show the leaders just what could and did happen. She was given 15 minutes but just kept talking and talking and would not stop. The leaders did not stop her. Then she proceeded to take it one step further and gave numerous altar calls while time marched forward. The leaders felt uncomfortable but would not stop it. In fact, one guy actually thought it was the Spirit of God despite the atmosphere charged with confusion and chaos. Finally, we confronted it by speaking to the leaders to sit her down, which they did. What to do now? The people were confused and the spiritual atmosphere was like death. We did the best we could by praying and worshipping but we never seemed to regroup.

Now here is my gut level honesty. Hold onto your hats. At one point in the meeting, she kept trying to control so I went to her and boldly and strong spoke into her ear to stop, rebuking her. Well, she did stop BUT in the car on the way home, she began to rant and rave and…here it comes……….she called me a Jezebel. Bam………..there it is again. When she did that, both Marvin and I, simultaneously turned to her, got in her face, and loudly and forcefully said, “Be quiet.” For the next three days, she took breakfast and lunch at times in her room. They served her by bringing food up to her. The end result was that she regrouped and we left with some leaders believing I was just an angry woman who liked to also control. They relegated it down to the fact that it was just between us girls so I should just play nice and keep the peace. In telling just bits and pieces of these stories, I am feeling so free. Remember, shame over what you did not even do, keeps you silent. 


whats-nextThis will not be a teaching. If you want great teaching, there are many good books that approach this topic with wisdom and grace. Just Google “Jezebel” and you will find one that will answer your questions. I am writing about my experiences, as a prophetic woman confronting a continual backlash from what I would say was a Jezebel spirit. What confronted me over the years was control, manipulation, and lies that flowed from the influence of this spirit in churches and through different people, both men and women, towards me. I will focus on experience after experience in this blog.

This spirit of control and manipulation has tried to undermine and discredit God’s anointing on my life. It has lied about me, stirred up controversy about me, and actually tried to kill any ministry flowing through me. I will be brief as I give you example after example of all that I have encountered. You can choose to believe or not believe. Being outside the walls, I am now able to speak of this freely in this blog. I am dismantling all presumptions and assumptions aimed at my life.

Read this blog – In Which Jezebel Gives Way to Deborah by Sarah Bessey. It will give you some additional thoughts that are relevant and forthright. Jezebel loves to target prophetic people. Jezebel loves to target prophetic women and seeks to destroy their credibility in any way that she can. I have encountered this spirit so many times that at this point in my life, I am aware of it right at the start, before it is able to get a foothold in any way, attacking my life.

Let’s begin. I will call her Sue. Sue and her husband came on the scene at a church Marvin and I attended as well as being in leadership. Sue came in with a great deal of fanfare and exuberance. In a short time, she started getting involved in many different facets of the church, gaining influence everywhere she went. She flowed into woman’s ministry. She worshipped. She was in the drama productions. You name it, she did it.

vt-102556When I would look at here, things never seemed right. At this time, God was just beginning to flow through me in the prophetic so there were times I felt I was wrong in what I was seeing because others did not see the same thing. Something was ‘off’ with this gal but I could not figure it out. I began to hear that she was calling the pastor in the night, at times, to give him a word that could not wait until the morning. Then, there was the time when all the women went on a retreat but she conveniently could not go. Later we found out, that she proceeded to prophecy to her heart’s content, getting center stage in the service while the women were away.

One night, the Lord woke me up and told me to tell the pastor to be careful with this woman. So after service one day, I talked to him outside the sanctuary. I voiced my concerns. His reply to me was something I remember to this very day. He said “Debra, are you sure you are not jealous of Sue?” Selah. No words left to say. The sad thing is that months later, she left her husband and ran away with one of the worship team. Another sad thing is that this pastor never came to me to encourage me or to affirm what I saw in her. This was my first exposure to Jezebel.

Another example. In Finland one time, I was asked to preach at a church where Jezebel was getting a foothold. I did not know it at the time, but I was soon to find out and learn a valuable lesson. Let’s call her Anne this time. I arrived at the church and asked about ministry. Did I have the freedom to flow outside the constraints of the normal service if the Holy Spirit wanted to go a different way? I was told that I had freedom. So the service started and as it progressed, I felt the Holy Spirit tell me to lead out in prophetic song and begin to minister to people. After a short while, as the Spirit was moving so beautifully, Anne comes up, takes the microphone and tells everyone that there is an agenda to be followed. So she turned the flow, completely away from the Spirit of God direction.

I sat down and suddenly got so angry. I was humiliated. I desperately asked the Lord to help me. In the room, I sensed such control and manipulation flowing. Suddenly before my eyes, I saw a woman standing there in the Spirit. She was standing right before me and it was truly demonic. I knew I was seeing what appeared to be a form of Jezebel, right in this church. To make a long story short, I submitted to Anne because she was the leader. What I did not know is that she would go behind my back and tell the pastor, who was not there at the meeting, that I grabbed the microphone away from her, determined to have my own way. She told the pastor that I was very controlling in the service.

arghhhIt gets better. The next day I was scheduled to minister again in the main service so the pastor decided to personally pick me up to talk to me on the way to the church. When we were in the car, he began to share with me the lies that he had been told by this woman. He informed me that I exhibited great control in the previous day’s service and that he needed some explanation. Well, that was a bit hard for me because I was without words. I saw Jezebel, clear at work. How could I defend myself in any way against these lies?

I simply turned to Him and said some simple words. “Those are lies Pastor. And, you have a problem of control and manipulation operating through this woman in your church.” He looked at me and said, “That is not possible.” I said “Well we will have to agree to disagree.” What a way to start a night of ministry. By the way, Anne was not at the service that night, conveniently absent for some reason.

But, back to the car scene. I was so upset. I did the only thing I knew to do. I told the pastor that I would not minister if he did not feel comfortable with me ministering in his church. He stammered and said, “No, no, that is not necessary.” Inside I was confused. So I gained my composure and asked another question. “Well,” I said. “Would you feel comfortable if I told you what I was preaching on?” He said, “Yes.” I said “The blood of Jesus.”

I did minister later that night even though I myself had been lied about and discredited; yet God continued to move in the service. I was never asked back to that church. I was not even able to defend myself against the lies spoken against me. I was wounded and grieved; yet I continued on my journey. Bam, Jezebel hit again.

Please understand I am skimming over this quite quickly to get my point across over the next few blogs. My point – this spirit is alive and well and dwells in the midst of God’s people. It will be confronted and when it is, it gets angrier and angrier seeking to destroy any prophetic ministry it possibly can. That’s enough for now. More coming……….